Career Interview

Career Interview

An ISFP's experience from being in the army to becoming an environemental entrepreneur.

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This is an interview from our career-interview series where we get to hear first hand about different career directions that people have taken. In order to allow the discussion to be as open as possible, we have anonymised this interview transcript. The interviewee has an ISFP profile ('Adventurer') which typically describes someone flexible, spontaneous and original.

How would you describe your career in 30 seconds?

I studied chemistry at university, then graduated and joined the British Army. I did the Officer training course and then spent 6 years in the Army, spending a lot of time in Northern Ireland and Bosnia. When I left the Army, I decided to stay in Bosnia and joined an international non-profit organisation that was charged with helping implement the peace agreement. After that, I did more stabilisation work in Bosnia, and did a stint supporting the elections in Iraq.

I decided that I wanted to change career direction, did an MBA and then returned to the non-profit sector though with a focus on Development, rather than conflict zones. From there, I set myself up as a private sector consultant, specialising in the Environment – which is what I do today.

What have been the 'best bits' of your career?

It’s difficult to say. I thoroughly enjoy starting new jobs with fresh opportunities. I know that I’m a ‘starter’ not a ‘completer finisher’. I’ve particularly enjoyed working in the non-profit sector in countries where things can change positively – where there is an opportunity to have a real influence on peoples’ lives. For example, in Bosnia, I had the opportunity to build houses for people who had suffered under the ‘ethnic cleansing’ activities of the war. We developed a system there that got 100s, maybe 1000s to get their homes back. This was hugely satisfying.

I’d also say that the experience of being in the Army is incredible. As an officer, you are responsible for 20-25 soldiers when you are still young. In reality you get a lot of guidance and support from the corporals and sergeants. However, it is an incredible piece of trust, and very rewarding when it goes right.

What things would you do differently?

With hindsight, I would have worked harder at university. The ability to apply some of the skills I could have developed there would have been wonderful. I’m not sure it’s about the academic learning though, I think I could / should have achieved more with some vocational training. It would have been more interesting, and I would have gained more.

I did enjoy my time in the army, though I wonder if I would have better spent my time as a civilian. At that stage, I would have really benefitted by getting into engineering or something similarly hands on. It’s about maximising that part of your career when you can say ‘yes’ to everything. As you get older and more senior, you get removed from the shop-floor. Time that you’ve spent doing practical work (almost any type of practical work), is generally well respected. It’s surprising how useful and relevant that early learning becomes. I would like to have done more of that.

If you were to meet the 20-year old verson of you, what career advice would you give?

Build a good foundation whilst you’re still young. Work for impressive people and work for impressive companies. Never stay in any role for more than 18 months. Get as much experience as you can. Say ‘yes’ to everything. If you’re into operations, jump at finance opportunities. And vice versa. You never know what you need to know.

Be positive and energetic – employers generally don't expect for people to arrive appropriately trained. Companies (large and small) really are looking for energy and enthusiasm. Look for opportunities to expand your education.

Be rounded in your basic skills. You need to be numerically literate and capable of writing well. I always was comfortable numerically, and studying chemistry, I thought I would never need to write more than a single sentence. I was wrong. It matters so much to be able to explain your ideas. And the same is true for people in the literary arts – they need to get comfortable with numbers.

What sort of person gets the most out of the military?

In my experience, people who know the least about the military get the most out of the experience. It’s a world where you need to prepare for the unexpected. If you think you know what you’re getting into, you’ll be disappointed, and you won’t be able to adapt. The people I knew whose decision to join was last minute did very well. Some of the most successful people I met in the military had ‘non-standard’ backgrounds – academics, doctors, lawyers, engineers even priests. Indeed I’ve met some very ‘warry’ priests who were excellent.

What advice would you give to someone building their career after the military?

The challenge is to be confident and humble at the same time. The skills that you develop in the army are wanted, but no-one wants to ‘hear it loudly’. It requires a good amount of listening first – whatever career you move into. If well presented, there is a lot of respect for the British Military – I’ve had lots of conversations in diverse sectors (including marketing / advertising) that recognise the small team leadership and project management skills that you develop in the military. You need to be prepared to learn a range of new skills. And don’t expect the first job to work out, but the second or third probably will.

Any final thoughts about managing a career?

It’s much easier to transition between sectors than it initially appears, and you will be able to do a good job. Hiring systems in some sectors have not caught up with that, but they will. Skills sets are more transferable than you think. If you can demonstrate energy in one sector, you’ll bring energy to another and you’ll succeed.
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